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Sort of a "meta" question about these announcements.

I assume they already talk about them privately beforehand. Carney first made a speech seeking some kind of enhanced status within the EU. Then von der Leyen said basically "Yeah we'd love that". Now Carney says "Great, let's do it."

It would be embarrassing if Carney's first speech had instead been met with silence.

So how many steps ahead do they choreograph these announcements? Did Carney show a draft of his speech today to people in the EU last week? "This is where I'd like us to be at next week. What do you guys think?"

Anyone who's worked in international diplomacy or UN-type institutions that would know this? I'm just interested in the mechanics of such an announcement.


Jacques Attali, former adviser to French president François Mitterrand, wrote about the behind-the-scenes work the "sherpas" do for their principals in his three-volume "Verbatim", which has been translated into English.

Carney and his diplomats have been having high-level talks along these lines with a bunch of EU member states for the last few months at least. That's atypical even. WSJ quoted French diplomats as essentially saying, "this is moving very quickly all of a sudden".

Carney and von der Leyen haven't really talked about what this would mean but it seems safe to assume that they (plus leaders of the major EU member states) have been talking about it, at least in broad strokes.



And a land border with Denmark.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island

Also, I think the constraint to be in the EU is that it has to be "an European country". It's relatively vague.


Is it a land border? Because if they are separated by a stretch of sea, well, the same is true for Canada and mainland France.

By that logic the UK doesn't have any neighbors other than the Republic of Ireland.

The UK has a land border with Spain in Gibraltar

Checkmate, I'll give you that one.

Someone else pointed out Canada also has a land border with Denmark: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49741686

What about Australia? New Zealand? Japan? Maybe Indonesia (I don't know maybe it has something on the Asian mainland).


Hang on you're saying people granted legal permission to fly to a country, specifically to immigrate to that country, also have the money to fly there? Crazy coincidence, that.

> climate change will happen (the trump administration is preparing for it more seriously than any other)

This has to be satire surely.

We're gonna need that sense of humor as the climate shit hits the fan.


I mean in a way it's true. MAGA is a death cult and they want to hasten the apocalypse, which is why MAGA is such good bed fellows with US big tech as they too also want to hasten the apocalypse.

These people fervently believe that they will prosper once the earth is destroyed, so please trust that they will do everything in their lives to make it so.


You have no idea what you are talking about. Armed lifeboat is a serious climate change strategy. You and I might not like it. But we are heading down the path very seriously.

> Armed lifeboat is a serious climate change strategy.

Is deliberately sinking the ship faster so we have to board said lifeboat much sooner part of that strategy?

> But we are heading down the path very seriously.

Being pushed at gunpoint, more like.


No it is a scientifically valid strategy. It contends

1) we are past the point of no return in climate change

2) climate change will radically change the nations of the earth and the viability of territories cause mass upheaval

3) this is inevitable and coordination will not work as you can’t expect nations drowning to act rationally or cooperatively.

4) prepare in any way you can as fast and aggressively as possible.


> 1) we are past the point of no return in climate change

Hmm...I wonder who did that?

Is paying taxpayer money to shut down already approved windfarms a good way to prepare for climate change? A few extra years to prepare that "armed lifeboat" are completely unnecessary?


The focus towards the north (Greenland/Canada) is one potential successful post-climate-change strategy.

Control over the opened trade routes and natural resources as the northern oceans thaw will be a highly contested global issue, the type of issue that can lead to war.

Of course, this is a more charitable interpretation of long term plans than might be warranted.


Not charitable. It has been repeatedly openly stated. How much more clear could the admin be?

Read your original comment and disagreed, but you have changed my mind. Trump is tackling climate change response more than any other president, he's just doing it in the most psychotic way possible. Threatening sovereign nations, antagonizing Asia, etc.

I agree that Canada and the EU should've been more responsible for their own defense. Hope going forward they are and cut out the USA as much as possible.


> at least part of the Russian war bill was footed by the money India paid for Russian oil

It's weird India gets held to this standard. Don't European countries still buy some natural gas from Russia?


Russian natgas is laundered through third parties, whereas India is laundering Russian oil. Not saying I support any of these sanctions or tariffs, but India is making bank selling Russian oil to Europe right now, so there is going to be some political blowback. Malaysia also.

> India is making bank selling Russian oil to Europe

So...Europe is buying Russian oil and gas? Bit counterproductive, no?


> Sorry, but alcohol prohibition did not work

That's what GP said too, albeit poorly.


Which country would you say has a closer relationship with the King of Canada?

England, which is why he's called the King of England and never called the King of Canada.

There is no King of England. Charles III is King of the United Kingdom, and all places within. The UK does not have a King of England any more than they have a King of Scunthorpe or a King of North Piddle.

The last King of England was William of Orange, who died in 1702 and was succeeded by Anne, who was the last Queen of England. The Act of Union 1707 merged the Kingdom of Scotland and Kingdom of England into a single successor state, the Kingdom of Great Britain. In 1801 that became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and in 1922 became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.


> Charles III is King of the United Kingdom, and all places within. The UK does not have a King of England any more than they have a King of Scunthorpe or a King of North Piddle.

It really shouldn't surprise you to learn this, but the ordinary name for the "United Kingdom" is "England".


It really shouldn't surprise you to learn this, but the ordinary name for the "United States" is "California"

His title is "His Majesty Charles the Third, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith" but he can claim many others. In Canada he is announced as King of Canada.

Yes, and he is also:

"Charles the Third, by the Grace of God King of Canada and His other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_...


They call him the King of England when he's in Canada? Or when he represents Canada abroad? Where exactly are you getting your information from?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada#Royal_prese...


Imagine if China said that about the US in 1950.

You are comparing the US today with China 1950. That's already pretty telling. It's not a 1:1 comparison but close in some aspects.

That's my point. China was so far behind and caught up. Even if we accept the premise that the US is behind today (debatable) "it's over they won" is an inaccurate statement.

You want an ID verification company handling healthcare? Even if you're a staunch believer in free enterprise this seems like a capability mismatch.

Does IDScan need to store the IDs after they've verified them?

If they deleted the IDs within a week of getting them surely the leak would be much smaller.


Making holding data like this a liability that has to be insured, etc... is part of a good solution IMO.

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