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Reagan and Gorbachev came within inches of abolishing nuclear weapons, but the sticking point was the US would not back away from building space weapons. As long as warmongers are in control we will continue to live in danger and fear.
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Gorbachev's dead now and look who sits in his place. I'm not so sure such a treaty would still be respected anyway. As as for who sits in Reagan's place...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

All you need to know about making deals with Russia.


Yeah, Ukraine should have held onto its nukes. But it got a lovely piece of paper to protect itself with.

easy to say at a distance. It didnt have full control and had the nuclear powers pushing them to.

We dont know if Ukraine would be a state today if they refused


The only reason why Putin is there now is because we strongly backed Boris Yeltsin despite his unpopularity, we interfered with the 1996 election in order to prevent Communist Party challenger Gennady Zyuganov from winning re-election amidst disastrous liberalization policies and lowering life expectancy, and then Boris Yeltsin ended up appointing Putin, who did war crimes in Chechnya in an effort to appear tough as a strongman against the separatist threat. In 2001, the NYT had op-eds from Thomas Friedman that were "Rootin' for Putin". Had we not interfered, we probably would have had another Gorbachev.

The capabilities of the "space weapons" didn't exist. Reagan used the threat of those weapons to perpetuate USSR's unsustainable military & defense investment, knowing the US could sustain it. Within 5 years, USSR was defunct.

Reagan had the right strategy , for his time.


> As long as warmongers are in control we will continue to live in danger and fear.

Can you expand on your solution to world peace?


I think it's generally acceptable to make a statement without proposing a solution.

You don't have to have a solution to recognise that there's a problem

Yeah you do. If you’re not offering a better way, you’re only moaning.

Cooperative deescalation is the right direction.

You need to get a critical mass of people to despise war so much that they are ready to have disadvantages themselves to make a war free world a reality. E.g. complete stop of trade with countries starting a war or supporting such a country.

It happened before relatively successful with slavery and is partially happening with the death penalty. For me it seems like a very long way to go though.


In which case, any country willing to fund a military and start a war would dominate the world.

Slavery and the death penalty are poor analogies, and not just because slavery was stopped through quite a bit of violence, and the death penalty/imprisonment exists as an alternative to vigilante justice only by virtue of the state's monopoly on violence.

"If everyone just ..." is always silly, but it's especially silly when it comes to the belief that order can be enforced through anything other than -- ultimately -- the threat of violence. Everyone will not "just".


So, you're saying that this requires all people of the world get along and agree with anything that might cause war? That sounds like a reasonable plan! Thanks for the response.

That is not what I'm saying. There can be a lot of disagreement about a lot of things but there needs to be widespread agreement to not start wars and to use strong non-war mechanisms to stop war mongers. I know that it is far off from where we are today, but it is not impossible like needing everyone to agree with everything.

We tried that. League of Nations. The UN. How has that worked out?

Human order is fundamentally kept by there being a true threat of violence enforcing it.

If you forget that reality and abandon your ability to project violence, someone else will remind you.


Or a post resource scarcity society where everyone's rich enough to be able to make ethical decisions with very little actual cost.

Power over others can never be post-scarcity, and it's an incredible motivator.

I mean in hindsight there's no way israel or china would have disarmed.



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